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dirtydawg10
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PostSubject: Re: Survivor - Fish Edition or why I hate fish stores sometimes.   Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:46 am

My fish have had a cloudy eye before but it was due to an injury. Maybe he got spooked and bumped into something? Anyway...in his condition I would recommend just keeping his water conditions pristine and doing daily or every other day PWC's for a week or so. Just keep an eye on it and make sure it doesn't get any worse. If it does get worse it may require some type of treatment.
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PostSubject: Re: Survivor - Fish Edition or why I hate fish stores sometimes.   Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:38 am

So, whatever it is, is nasty.

There's not really anything in the tank that I *think* could have caused an injury, but that's not to say it didn't have it, or wasn't there from before I picked him up.

It started from the left eye yesterday. When I first saw it it extended past the eye just a bit, now it's in odd patches all over it's body, everywhere there was previous damage. I tried taking some pictures of it, but it's a really subtle grey coating on him and the pictures don't look hardly any different from the ones I posted already.

If it is a fungus, I've never seen one move this fast. Since the preventative doses of melafix and pimafix weren't working I did another heavy water change and gave him a short 1.5ppt salt bath. The creeping funk flaked/fell off in some patches (think like dandruff) and he was acting a lot happier about it and actually ate one big cichlid stick. (The compressed cheesy poof looking kind)

I did a double dose of pimafix, and all was looking good.

14 hours later, or so and it's all back. Ever spot the creeping crud fell off is now covered again and it's up on the fins now as well.

So, set up another salt bath and got him going in it, changed out a lot of the water again, and since I had some on hand did a .5ml intraperitoneal injection of Amikacin. (.1ml Ami, .4 saline) Amikacin is kinda rough on fish, (I use it for tort URIs) so it may kill him, but this funk may kill him first. Blah.

He's currently still alive 2 hours later, (amazingly enough) though back to just sitting on the bottom. If he somehow manages to survive this, well, wow. I'll be completely amazed.
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PostSubject: Re: Survivor - Fish Edition or why I hate fish stores sometimes.   Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:17 am

Satin what your describing kinda sounds like what I had ie cloudy eyes, gray coating, and patches of white on the body of the fish.

looks like you have started treatment, I have my fingers crossed for you and the fish. I bought Coppersafe after I salted my tank and it doesn't say its safer for fish. If you do end up using it make sure you do not have any plants or inverts in the tank because it may kill them.

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PostSubject: Re: Survivor - Fish Edition or why I hate fish stores sometimes.   Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:28 am

Yikes...definitely more than just an injury. Sounds like it may be velvet but it's hard to say. Is it breathing heavy or flashing at all?
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PostSubject: Re: Survivor - Fish Edition or why I hate fish stores sometimes.   Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:49 am

No flashing, there was heavy breathing right after the salt bath and shot, but that was to be expected.

Still alive. Still funky, but the funk looks different today than it did last night, like the meds might be working. Still just sitting on the bottom in the same spot he was last night though. His only hope really right now I think is that it doesn't go systemic.

He doesn't have the speckling that I'm used to seeing with velvet, but that's not to say that it's not either. Sometimes it's really really hard to tell. I know there's a good handful of variants of ich, so why not velvet too.

Oh I and I figured out where I saw the copper salts are "safer" part. When I was going through the box of meds, I have a bottle of copper salt ich treatment formulated for delicate fish. It's just a lower percentage solution but I just remembered what was in it and the delicate part, not that it was weaker. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Survivor - Fish Edition or why I hate fish stores sometimes.   Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:27 pm

when my fish were sick a couple of weeks ago that is what my Severum looked like...After closer examination it was spots of the slime coat that were missing. I am pretty sure what was in my tank was velvet although I only seen the spackling on a few fish..the others just lost their slime coat and began to lose their skin and theit tail and fins started to deteriorate. I was using salt along with aquari-sol (copper salts) and dosed melafix every other day. I was also doing salt bathe which helped...10tsp salt to one gal. Best of luck keep us posted.

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PostSubject: Re: Survivor - Fish Edition or why I hate fish stores sometimes.   Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:15 pm

Not much has changed. Still alive. Still isn't moving much, but I'm beginning to suspect that's due to the heavy fin damage.

I'm going to start copper salts tomorrow after the heavy beating he got yesterday.
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PostSubject: Re: Survivor - Fish Edition or why I hate fish stores sometimes.   Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:12 pm

:bump1:

Any update, saint_felony?

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PostSubject: Re: Survivor - Fish Edition or why I hate fish stores sometimes.   Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:35 pm

Like I said I was going to do in the Chat, he got a salt bath and hit with one more round of Amikacin Sunday night. Any more drugs

As of right now, I am doing nothing else besides daily water changes and some extra salt in the water. Twice now I've caught him laying on his side and he's still not eating. The funk seems to be holding and not getting any worse but it's not healing like I'd like it to be either. Also (and I may just be imagining it) there seems to be a bit of abdominal swelling that I didn't notice previously. That being said, I haven't seen him drop any friends off yet either the entire time he's been here. Not to say the filter hasn't gotten it before I saw anything, but usually the pvc pipes need to be at very least shaken out of poo now and again.

At this point, I'm not sure what to do. I don't want him to starve to death since I'm sure that would suck, but don't want to end it in case he does pull through. I wish I was better with fish ailments and knew if this was normal or I'm just wasting my time.
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PostSubject: Re: Survivor - Fish Edition or why I hate fish stores sometimes.   Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:08 am

saint_felony wrote:
Like I said I was going to do in the Chat, he got a salt bath and hit with one more round of Amikacin Sunday night. Any more drugs

As of right now, I am doing nothing else besides daily water changes and some extra salt in the water. Twice now I've caught him laying on his side and he's still not eating. The funk seems to be holding and not getting any worse but it's not healing like I'd like it to be either. Also (and I may just be imagining it) there seems to be a bit of abdominal swelling that I didn't notice previously. That being said, I haven't seen him drop any friends off yet either the entire time he's been here. Not to say the filter hasn't gotten it before I saw anything, but usually the pvc pipes need to be at very least shaken out of poo now and again.

At this point, I'm not sure what to do. I don't want him to starve to death since I'm sure that would suck, but don't want to end it in case he does pull through. I wish I was better with fish ailments and knew if this was normal or I'm just wasting my time.

I wish you best of luck!
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PostSubject: Re: Survivor - Fish Edition or why I hate fish stores sometimes.   Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:54 am

As with most fish diseases they tend to get worse before they get better. If you have the funk stabalized it would sound to me like the fish is getting better. As far as the stomach goes I doubt it's constipated because he hasn't eaten so there is nothing to be backed up. It may be internal parasites.
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PostSubject: Re: Survivor - Fish Edition or why I hate fish stores sometimes.   Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:50 am

Dropsy or some sort of parasites are exactly what I'm afraid of. Especially if he's impacted due to parasites.

Not sure how it would have gotten parasites, though my understanding was that it was indoors the whole time, but who knows.
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