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Wyomingite
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PostSubject: Re: Oscar   Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:21 pm

ninjastar wrote:
I understand your point. But lets assume that I will get a larger tank when they get bigger maybe a 200gal tank. Would that be okay? Because what Im thinking is if it would be okay since their just babies? Because at the lps the oscar are about 3 inches and the jds about 1-2inches.


A 200? Say 2 oscars, 2 JDs and a jag, with maybe a coupla plecos. For comparison, my stocking plan for my 225 is a jag, a midas, a red devil and a blackbelt, with maybe a large catfish. For my 180, 5 oscars and maybe a coupla mid-sized plecos. That's it, and there are a lotta people who'd make an argument I'm overstocked at that, on both tanks. The 225 will have 1500 gph of through-filter water turnover, the 180 will have 1700 gph. That's 7-8 times the tank volume per hour, and I'm still anticipating 25-30% water changes twice a week. When yer talkin' large cichlids, 200 gallons isn't that much volume.

If you don't have the larger tank in hand, do not assume you WILL get it. A word to the wise, never purchase fish anticipating you will buy a larger tank when they are ready for one. IME life has a way of twisting circumstances so that the best laid plans go awry, resulting in other things becoming more important than a larger fish tank.

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PostSubject: Re: Oscar   Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:31 pm

I see. Well I will start off with only 2 oscar in that 100gal tank. Everyone has been loads of help and I still have alot to learn with alot of question now since Im going to do a ciclid tank. But ya with that being said. if how do I tell if an oscar is a male or female?I did the reaserch but no one is certain. So I was thinking that you guys would know. Well What I read in different articles is that the you cant really tell because they all look the same. But some say you should wait till their about 4inches, the anal fin doesnt help much, and that the color of a female is less color than that of a male.

Also for that 100gal tank what filtration would you recommend if I do get that amount of fish lets just say 2 oscar, 2jd and 2jags?
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PostSubject: Re: Oscar   Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:45 pm

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Also for that 100gal tank what filtration would you recommend if I do get that amount of fish lets just say 2 oscar, 2jd and 2jags?


Seriously. 100g tank, too many fish. Bad ninjastar, no cookie.

Pick two from that list and stuff them in the 100.

The only exception to that would be that you could get 3 JDs in a 100 and it would be fine.

For filtration one Rena XP4 or two Marineland Emperor 400s should do the trick.
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PostSubject: Re: Oscar   Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:00 pm

Agreed. Two oscars in the 100 or any combination of two out of the above. It may seem like a waste of space, but you will appreciate it in the end. Like I said before, ya could probly get by with a mid-sized pleco as well. But more cichlids than that is askin' for a headache.

Oscars are a bitch to sex. Most of the differences seen in other cichlids are absent. The only real way, as far as I'm concerned, is when ya can actually see the oviositor on the female and compare it to the male. Oscars seem to avoid fallin' into any consistency for sexing IME using traits such as pointed fins, color, nuchal hump and size.

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PostSubject: Re: Oscar   Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:13 pm

But if their only 2 inches isnt it okay? Because if they grow an inch a month and in a year their about 12inches I can assume that I should get a larger tank 6months in.
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PostSubject: Re: Oscar   Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:56 am

Nyet.

It's a bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad idea. I can say bad some more if you'd like.

Once they start getting bigger, they start getting more territorial. They get more territorial they get more argumentative, then they start picking on each other and then add different sizes based on growth speed, and shit goes down hill real fast.

JDs can be dicks, Oscars are dicks, and Jags are gigantic douchebags. Nevermind the bloody stumps of death bringing horror you'll get if one of them decides to pair up with that many fish in there.

Stick with two. It will make things so very much easier for you. Honest.
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PostSubject: Re: Oscar   Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:51 am

But then only 2 Oscars in a 100gallion tank looks and feels weird to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Oscar   Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:41 am

ninjastar wrote:
But then only 2 Oscars in a 100gallion tank looks and feels weird to me.


It may now. I remember when I thought 6 or 7 small fish in a 20 gallon tank felt weird. It's because in yer mind yer basing what a tank should look like based on how many fish are in a tank at the LFS. They buy large numbers of fish and move 'em out to customers quickly, those fish are never kept in those conditions for long. You are going to keep your fish in that 100 gallon tank forever. Give it time, and you'll realize that a coupla healthy happy fish are better than fish that are fighting and stunted due to poor conditions.

Fish that are kept in good conditions at the proper stocking rate begin to show colors and behaviors that you will never see in a crowded tank. The rewards for patience and taking good care of yer fish will far outeigh the "it feels weird" syndrome that ya get because there are only a few fish in a tank.

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PostSubject: Re: Oscar   Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:09 am

So only 2 and nothing more?
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PostSubject: Re: Oscar   Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:22 pm

ninjastar wrote:
So only 2 and nothing more?
Correct!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Oscar   Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:45 pm

Think of it this way.....five Rottweiler puppies in a studio apartment. Then think about five full grown rottweilers in a studio apartment. Stick with two of those fish sooner than you know they will fill out the tank and make it look small.

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PostSubject: Re: Oscar   Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:45 pm

I my self have one nearly adult red dragon flowerhorn and one young female in a 125 gal tank with 1200 gal hour filtration , one midas in a 75 gal with 800 gal turnover , two green texans in a 125 with 1300 gal turn over and two blue escondido texans in a 75 with 800 gal healthy ,very beautiful ,happy fish
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PostSubject: Re: Oscar   Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:58 pm

Here's another though.

If two tiny oscars look weird to you alone in a 100g tank, why not ask around at some of the local fish stores, and see if anyone has dropped off two adults.

You'll not have the issue of tank looking sparse, and they may even just give them to you since folks try to rehome adult Oscars on a pretty regular basis.
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PostSubject: Re: Oscar   Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:33 pm

Well the thing is is that I want to raise them when their little so that they can reconize me Very Happy as their father. Very Happy Im giving it a though still on having to have a 200gal tank on hand and getting those fish. But ya I might as well just go with 2 oscars.
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PostSubject: Re: Oscar   Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:21 pm

After about three days of feeding an oscar, you're their favorite person. Usually quicker. Wink
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