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Markm0723 Jack Dempsey Breeder

Posts: 382
Age: 51 Location: Mobile, AL Favorite Fish: Jack Dempsey
 | Subject: My Jack Dempsey Family is About to Get Bigger Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:36 pm | |
| Well my primary Jack Dempsey Project is about to begin in earnest. I've got three EBJDs that will arrive via USPS tomorrow. They are between 2.25" and 2.5", so hopefully they will be close to being past the die-off stage (plus I bought a 24W in-tank UV Sterilizer for their tank today). These will be paired (when they're older) with some of my Gold JDs to produce double het offspring. The goal will be to eventually produce offspring that will express both the Electric Blue and Gold genes. Some feel that the Gold Gene may mask the Electric Blue, but since my golds display allot of blue spangling, I'm hoping the EB gene will express itself. I'll post some pics of the EBJDs when they arrive. Wish me luck, Mark |
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PopPopsfish Member

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 | Subject: Re: My Jack Dempsey Family is About to Get Bigger Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:30 pm | |
| Good luck,
It has been a while since I played around with JD's but I do believe that the Gold will not mask the EB coloration . If I remember correctly the gold allie when crossed with the blue phenotype will express a 25/75 most being EB's
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Mostlycichlids Cichlid Specialist

Posts: 4517
Age: 32 Location: New Mexico USA Favorite Fish: Jaguar Cichlid
 | Subject: Re: My Jack Dempsey Family is About to Get Bigger Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:39 pm | |
| Nice Mark, can't wait to see how it turns out! Good luck, keep us posted  _________________ "There he goes - one of God's own prototypes - a high powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die".
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
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saint_felony The Turtle Whisperer

Posts: 1914
 | Subject: Re: My Jack Dempsey Family is About to Get Bigger Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:47 pm | |
| I still haven't seen the ebjds in person around here. The pictures make them look really gorgeous. Hope yours are anyway.
At some point, I'd like to learn more about controlled breeding. Everything that happens right now with the fish is accidental. |
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Markm0723 Jack Dempsey Breeder

Posts: 382
Age: 51 Location: Mobile, AL Favorite Fish: Jack Dempsey
 | Subject: Re: My Jack Dempsey Family is About to Get Bigger Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:55 pm | |
| It will be interesting to see what will be produced, although it will be a while (est. 18-24 mos. until first F2 fry are produced). Since both of the traits are recessive, and since the few EBXGold breedings that have been documented produced all normal looking fry in the F1 generation, it indicates that the alleles for each trait are found at different loci. I have found no record of anyone producing any F2 fry yet, although I know of three others here in the U.S. that have produced F1 EBXGold fry. Our hope is to trade F1 fry in order to vary the bloodlines as much as possible. The trusty old Punnett Square indicates that 6.25% of the F2 fry should express the EBG (Electric Blue and Gold) Phenotype (Visible expression of recessive trait.) Now what they will look like is another thing altogether. Mark |
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Mike D DIY Guy

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Age: 28 Location: Maine Humor: You can't offend me
 | Subject: Re: My Jack Dempsey Family is About to Get Bigger Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:04 pm | |
| Hey mark if you have any extra BGJD or GGJD's kicking around your tank I'd be willing to take a female off your hands!  Since I'll be having an empty large tank soon I'd love to start a breeding project of my own. I'm not interested in crossing the BG with the GG although it would be cool I'm just looking to produce EBJD or Gold JD's |
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saint_felony The Turtle Whisperer

Posts: 1914
 | Subject: Re: My Jack Dempsey Family is About to Get Bigger Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:26 pm | |
| and if you need a hand finding a home for some of the rejects, let me know as well.  |
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Markm0723 Jack Dempsey Breeder

Posts: 382
Age: 51 Location: Mobile, AL Favorite Fish: Jack Dempsey
 | Subject: Re: My Jack Dempsey Family is About to Get Bigger Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:25 pm | |
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Mike D DIY Guy

Posts: 1842
Age: 28 Location: Maine Humor: You can't offend me
 | Subject: Re: My Jack Dempsey Family is About to Get Bigger Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:37 pm | |
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Mostlycichlids Cichlid Specialist

Posts: 4517
Age: 32 Location: New Mexico USA Favorite Fish: Jaguar Cichlid
 | Subject: Re: My Jack Dempsey Family is About to Get Bigger Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:55 pm | |
| Wow, those are amazing already! Healthy as well...would be interested on info of where to get some! _________________ "There he goes - one of God's own prototypes - a high powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die".
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
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mahemaheman85 Member

Posts: 280
Age: 26 Location: Washington Favorite Fish: cichla!!
 | Subject: Re: My Jack Dempsey Family is About to Get Bigger Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:19 pm | |
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mahemaheman85 Member

Posts: 280
Age: 26 Location: Washington Favorite Fish: cichla!!
 | Subject: Re: My Jack Dempsey Family is About to Get Bigger Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:20 pm | |
| | Mostlycichlids wrote: | | Wow, those are amazing already! Healthy as well...would be interested on info of where to get some! |
you can actually get them all over, most lfs will have |
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mahemaheman85 Member

Posts: 280
Age: 26 Location: Washington Favorite Fish: cichla!!
 | Subject: Re: My Jack Dempsey Family is About to Get Bigger Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:21 pm | |
| just remember if you intend on breeding to breed the blue with a norm, cause if you breed a blue with a blue the fry will most likey be mutated if they live at all |
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Markm0723 Jack Dempsey Breeder

Posts: 382
Age: 51 Location: Mobile, AL Favorite Fish: Jack Dempsey
 | Subject: Re: My Jack Dempsey Family is About to Get Bigger Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:27 pm | |
| These came from Yankeebetta on AquaBid. Tim's a great guy, and will do you right. He's also one of the people working on the EBJDXGold breeding project. A couple of other breeders that have high quality EBs (I plan on getting some from both of them too) are Dempseydan and Tampafishman (Tim goes by Yankeejack) on All Things Dempsey :
http://dempsey.6.forumer.com/viewforum.php?f=17
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Markm0723 Jack Dempsey Breeder

Posts: 382
Age: 51 Location: Mobile, AL Favorite Fish: Jack Dempsey
 | Subject: Re: My Jack Dempsey Family is About to Get Bigger Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:34 pm | |
| | mahemaheman85 wrote: | | just remember if you intend on breeding to breed the blue with a norm, cause if you breed a blue with a blue the fry will most likey be mutated if they live at all |
These will be paired with Golds to produce EBJDXGold Hets. The Gold Morph has proven to be as strong as the normals, but you are absolutely correct, EBJD X EBJD currently produces non-viable offspring. That's why most of the serious breeders are trying to bring in as many different "normal" (regular morph) lines (I personally have four) into the EB and Gold bloodlines as possible.
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