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lethalcustoms00 Member

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Age: 25 Location: energy capitol, gillette wyoming Humor: i found my ferret trying to swim in my sump Favorite Fish: that one i have in that tank in the other room, you know, that one
 | Subject: carbon Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:03 pm | |
| somebody wanna help me understand why not to use carbon to filter te water in my discus tank _________________ dont judge me monkey
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dirtydawg10 Moderator

Posts: 2371
Age: 37 Location: Connecticut Favorite Fish: Severum
 | Subject: Re: carbon Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:19 pm | |
| It's not that you can't use it...it won't hurt anything...but it won't help much either. Carbon is only effective for a short period of time and then needs to be replaced. It is expensive and not required for a clean tank. Carbon is often times only used as a filter media when a specific additive to a tank needs to be removed. Such as removing meds after a treatment. |
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Redneck Woman Invert Junkie

Posts: 751
Age: 42 Location: Kentucky Favorite Fish: angels,but kribs are a very close second
 | Subject: Re: carbon Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:41 pm | |
| My question is, did someone tell you not to? I run it in my heavily planted tank and I can tell when it is time to change it. To me it makes a difference. Or maybe it's just my imagination. I clean my tank once weekly, twice if i'm bored. I change my canister filters every month. It usually cost me about $10 to change it out. _________________ Tina Start every day with a smile and get it over with. -- W.C. Fields
135 communityl 49 snail and soon to be shrimp tank 20L betta sorority
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Wyomingite Fish Wrangler

Posts: 1237
Age: 42 Location: Wonderful Windy Wyoming Humor: “Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government." - Michael Palin in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" Favorite Fish: I won't choose and ya can't make me!
 | Subject: Re: carbon Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:10 pm | |
| | dirtydawg10 wrote: | | It's not that you can't use it...it won't hurt anything...but it won't help much either. Carbon is only effective for a short period of time and then needs to be replaced. It is expensive and not required for a clean tank. Carbon is often times only used as a filter media when a specific additive to a tank needs to be removed. Such as removing meds after a treatment. |
Carbon is good for removing heavy metals and other dissolved minerals that may occur in your water supply, as well as tannins from driftwood and other organic materials that may discolor your water, in addition to the above. As dawg said, it needs to be changed regularly to remain effective. The tendency to remove trace elements isn't always looked on favorably in marine and planted aquaria. Also it will release phosphates, which when present in excess promote the growth of that slimy blue-green algae (actually a cyanobacteria) that nothin' eats.
So there are pros and cons and it comes down to personal preference IMO. As Redneck Woman said, it doesn't hurt anything. I do suggest ya spend the extra cash to get good quality carbon instead of usin' cheap stuff, though. The cheap stuff usually has more dust and a higher phosphate content. It'll save ya some headaches in the end. Oh, and there is no such thing as phosphate-free carbon, so take advertisements of that nature with a grain of sea salt.
WYite _________________ One can never have too many fish tanks.
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Redneck Woman Invert Junkie

Posts: 751
Age: 42 Location: Kentucky Favorite Fish: angels,but kribs are a very close second
 | Subject: Re: carbon Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:21 pm | |
| That's real good information WYite! I didn't know there was a difference in carbon. I'm gonna look for a better brand. I usually just get the tub of carbon they sale at Wal-Mart. I do have to rinse it real well before putting it in my filter. It's about $7 a tub and I have to use 1 and 1/4 tubs for my two filters. _________________ Tina Start every day with a smile and get it over with. -- W.C. Fields
135 communityl 49 snail and soon to be shrimp tank 20L betta sorority
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Mostlycichlids Cichlid Specialist

Posts: 3765
Age: 30 Location: New Mexico USA Favorite Fish: Jaguar Cichlid
 | Subject: Re: carbon Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:34 am | |
| Here is an article I wrote on carbon some time ago...I am sure you will have a better understanding and decide if it is suitable for you after reading. Carbon Article _________________ "There he goes - one of God's own prototypes - a high powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die".
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
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saint_felony The Turtle Whisperer

Posts: 1439
 | Subject: Re: carbon Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:51 pm | |
| Nothing eats cyanobacteria? Someone should tell my goldfish that.  |
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lethalcustoms00 Member

Posts: 44
Age: 25 Location: energy capitol, gillette wyoming Humor: i found my ferret trying to swim in my sump Favorite Fish: that one i have in that tank in the other room, you know, that one
 | Subject: Re: carbon Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:42 pm | |
| its not that i was tolod not too, just that i read not to without an explination in another forum. i cant get a moderator from simply discus to activate my account there but thats where i saw it _________________ dont judge me monkey
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Wyomingite Fish Wrangler

Posts: 1237
Age: 42 Location: Wonderful Windy Wyoming Humor: “Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government." - Michael Palin in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" Favorite Fish: I won't choose and ya can't make me!
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saint_felony The Turtle Whisperer

Posts: 1439
 | Subject: Re: carbon Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:36 am | |
| I have one comet, that earned the title Survivor. Managed a good two weeks in with the RTC and didn't get eaten. I tossed it in the feeder guppy tank, (since I'm out of guppies at the moment) that had the purple algae, and the next morning a good bunch of it was gone. I'm not sure if that's normal for goldies, but there ya go. |
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Celticwraith FWM Graphic Designer

Posts: 335
Age: 42 Location: Ontario, Canada Favorite Fish: kribs
 | Subject: Re: carbon Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:58 am | |
| I don't have experience with Discus, so I can't answer your original question. I'm one of those who doesn't use carbon and have never had a problem due to not using it. I do keep it around just in case the tank gets polluted or I have added meds and need to remove any traces left after treatment. |
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dirtydawg10 Moderator

Posts: 2371
Age: 37 Location: Connecticut Favorite Fish: Severum
 | Subject: Re: carbon Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:02 am | |
| Good info Wyite. I guess the other reasons I don't use carbon is I don't have issues with heavy metals in my water, I change water frequently enough that tanins aren't an issue and I'm cheap...lol. I would think (depending on the metals) that a planted tank would prefer not to have the metals removed. If you add ferts that contain heavy metals they will be removed from the water column by the carbon. Maybe I'm thinking about it wrong but aren't most micro-nutrients heavy metals? I understand that plants need carbon in order to grow but plants get carbon from CO2 gas not from solid forms of carbon. At least that's how I understand it. Carbon will take clean water and make it crystal clear but I have a hard time seeing the difference myself. |
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Mike D DIY Guy

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Age: 26 Location: Maine Humor: You can't offend me
 | Subject: Re: carbon Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:29 am | |
| Humm thats the first time I have heard of not using carbon with discus. I dont use carbon simply because you dont need to it in your filters unless removing meds and I use conditioners that remove heavy metals. _________________ Give an Irishman lager for a month and he's a dead man. An Irishman's stomach is lined with copper, and the beer corrodes it. But whiskey polishes the copper and is the saving of him.-Mark Twain
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